There is an issue that keeps popping up on some of my comments that I feel needs to be addressed with great detail. It is the issue of protestants being too forceful and judgmental because they have the audacity to tell other people that they are sinners and need to be born again.
joseph j fell and his crew (meaning all who hold the same viewpoint) have become disgusted with us protestants. He says, “due to my great disgust with people (mostly Protestant) running around telling non-Christians “you need to be saved, you need to be born again, you’re going to Hell, etc” and often coming off very judgmental and condemning when they do, i am becoming more and more Catholic in my beliefs.” He also mentions that, “when people go around and start talking about how you’re sinful, you need to accept Christ, etc,and doing so in a very forceful and in-your-face, confrontational manner, i dont think that’s very productive.”
I have been doing a study in Acts and these comments simply fly in the face of Paul, Barnabas and all of the disciples. Paul went from city to city telling people they were sinners and that they need to accept Christ, by the leadership of the holy spirit of God I might add. There is case after case where Paul was very forceful and confrontational and what you are saying is that Paul was not very productive because he told people that they are sinners and that they need to repent. The men of the Old and New Testament were very forceful and dedicated to the very word of God and they did not just go hang with the secular crowd and accept everything that everyone did because it was the “politically correct” thing to do. Paul didn’t look at lost people and say, “oh well it is their choice to do what they want to do so I shouldn’t make them feel bad by telling them that they are sinful and they will not spend eternity with God.” Instead he went to the lost people, both Jews and Gentiles, and reminded them that they are sinners, they have sinned against a living God who punishes sin, and they need to repent and believe in him who was sent to die for them. He did this because he had compassion for them and loved them and wanted to see them come to salvation knowing that there is nothing greater for them! No believer in the Bible practiced this weak, politically correct, mumbo jumbo that has been mentioned, not the apostles, not the disciples, and certainly not Jesus!
John the Baptist - “…You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance…” (Luke 3:7-8) That sounds rather confrontational to me. Now some may say, well he was talking to religious leaders not unsaved people… *cough* *cough* I don’t know that I would call the religious leaders at that time saved… but for the sake of argument John also rebuked Herod and his brother’s wife telling of all the evil things they had done. Shouldn’t John have just kept quiet about the Evil’s of Herod and let him do whatever he wanted to do? Why shouldn’t Herod take his brothers wife since he is unsaved anyway, right? So that was just wrong of John to do such a thing and exploit the evils of lost people, they have a right to do what they want and they don’t need no Baptist telling them they are wrong! I think it is safe to say that John the Baptist was very confrontational about repentance from sins and this was right in the eyes of God but not in the eyes of man!
Jesus himself says to preach of forgiveness and repentance of sins, “…and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations…” (Luke 47) - How can someone understand that they need forgiveness if they do not first understand that they are sinners? Isn’t it important to try and help people see that they are sinners and because of that sin they fall short of the glory of God?
Peter - “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins…with many other words he warned them: and he pleaded with them, ‘Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.’” (Acts 2:38,40) - Peter tells the people of Jerusalem that they must repent for the forgiveness of their sins! He called them sinners! “Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John replied, ‘Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.” (Acts 4:18-20) - Peter also shows that it is obedience to God to speak in the name of Jesus, to speak about what we have seen and heard! The ‘men’ of the day thought that Peter and John should not be so forceful and should not be preaching in the name of Christ and telling people to be saved, and yet they obeyed God over man.
Stephen - He was stoned for being very aggressive and confrontational to the ‘unsaved’ religious leaders. He did show his care for them by asking God not to hold their sins against him, but he did not hold back from speaking the word of God, even if it was controversial.
Paul - Paul is also a great example of a man in the bible who went from city to city telling people about Jesus, about sin, and calling for repentance. “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10) - Paul sounds very confrontational and judgmental to me!
If not telling people that they are sinners and that they need to be born again makes you a Catholic then certainly Paul, Stephen, Peter, and the rest of the disciples were not Catholic. Even though they told people they were sinners and that they needed to be born again they always did it in a loving and compassionate way, whether the people accepted it as that or not, and that is how we are to do it. In all things, as we share the Gospel we must share it in love, but do so without weakening the message and sugar coating the hard stuff!
It seems to me that in the Bible, telling people about sin, separation, repentance, forgiveness, and believing are essential elements in a believers life and that is the very thing that many people hate about us! Guess it all comes down to the question, do we obey God and therefore anger man or do we obey men and therefore anger God?
Pressed

Thank you for this timely post. When I have read some of the most recent comments throughout your weblog, I thought the same things. The bible clearly teaches us to spread the gospel and why we are to share it. If people don’t understand what sin is, why would they ever understand what they need to be saved from? In some ways I think we have lessened what sin actually is by “not talking about it frankly”. God hates sin. We sin everyday. We all sin everyday. It is a struggle everyday to avoid evil, to avoid sin.
I agree with you Pressed, “No believer in the Bible practiced this weak, politically correct, mumbo jumbo that has been mentioned, not the apostles, not the disciples, and certainly not Jesus!” Not Franklin Graham either! Nor do I wish to practice this way…and I am still learning to be confrontational and loving. The loving part is the big key! It is loving to point out sin and the Way to be saved from it!
“It is the issue of protestants being too forceful and judgmental because they have the audacity to tell other people that they are sinners and need to be born again.” Yes, we are often told we (Protestants) are not tolerant which is funny because when being accused of that, in fact, the accuser is not tolerant of the “protestant”. I posted about this issue a while back at
http://members.truepath.com/susanlprince/2002_12_08_archive.html#85868448
Posted by: Susan L. Prince on April 20, 2003 07:46 AM
for the record, i have no “crew”. i’ve not met rob or anyone else who comments on here, and i only met chris crane last thursday when he visited my school. my opinions are my own, i neither expect or want anyone else to espouse my opinions unless they themselves believe them on their own volition.
Posted by: joseph j. fell on April 20, 2003 12:22 PM
hello my dear craig, i think that i might be one of those people that you categorized as “joseph j fell and his crew” i dont think im part of his crew as i recieve no benifits nor orders from him, we just happen to agree on a variety of political issues.
i think that as christians, we do need to be outright about our faith and, but i believe what joseph j fell just might have been saying (joe, please correct me if im wrong) was something to the affect of we cant be judgemental and look down on people or take a “holier than thou” state of mind. i despise the politically correct, it is a horrible idea meant to desensitize people to the truth. i agree, we must be loving and compassionate about sharing the gospel; therefore as joe said “doing so in a very forceful and in-your-face, confrontational manner, i dont think that’s very productive”, but at the same time we must not sugar coat the gospel. whenever paul preached the gospel, he was very upfront about the people’s sins and that they were damned unless they believed, but at the same time he said he had been damned to and that he had been as bad as those he preached to, i think thats a pretty good example to follow.
Posted by: Chris Crane on April 20, 2003 07:40 PM
To clear up any confusion about the “Joseph and his crew” comment I only said that because he had said “Pressed and his crew” in an earlier comment. Thought it would be funny… but I guess not.
Posted by: Pressed on April 20, 2003 09:04 PM
the reason i said that is because you, Pressed, Michael, Le Rinard, “The Girl” and others go to the same church and hang out and stuff. i call my group of friends “my crew” and i was referring to your group of friends as “your crew.” however, as for me, i hadnt met Chris Crane until this past thursday and i havent met the other people ever nor do i think i’ll ever meet them. so i really have no official outside-of-blogging-bond with them.
chris, you more or less have my view right. for the record, i am pretty open about being a Christian and talking about God in my dealings with classmates and friends around campus. this may shock Pressed and friends, but i have told people that i do believe they will go to Hell if they do not believe in Christ. of course, this was at about the 2.5 hr in a 3hr long conversation…up to that point, i had presented why i believe what i believe, had answered some of their questions, and they had asked me if i thought they would go to Hell. by this point in the conversation, i felt it was appropriate to say that, but i also said, “ultimately, i am not God, i cant decide who is going where, i dont know who will go where, i just believe in what the Bible says regarding salvation, however in the end God decides that, and i believe that God is just.” admittedly, i do shy away sometimes from telling people i dont know very well that they will go to Hell if they do not accept Christ, because it really isn’t an easy thing to say and if done in the wrong context\light\spirit it can close ears, end openness, and prevent future conversations really really fast.
Posted by: joseph j. fell on April 20, 2003 09:57 PM
Now joseph you have finally said something that makes sense to me and that I can agree with and respect. “admittedly, i do shy away sometimes from telling people i dont know very well that they will go to Hell if they do not accept Christ, because it really isn’t an easy thing to say” I agree, believe it or not, it is a very hard thing to just come out and say and it is not easy to strike up conversations with strangers and get to the point of saying that. I think we all have problems in that area. I find myself being ashamed of the fact that I have a hard time talking to strangers about the matchless and wonderful grace of God. There is nothing greater in the world and I shy away from telling others and bow to fear, passing up chances to share with the lost. My goal is certainly not to push the gospel in peoples faces and attempt to force it down their throats, doing so without compassion or love in fact that could not be any further from the truth. My hope is that God would help me to have compassion as He has compassion and have love as He has love and that God would use me to my fullest ability to share his word in order that he might bring others to himself.
Posted by: Pressed on April 21, 2003 12:53 AM
It’s been my observation that Christians agree that “forcing” the Gospel on people is not a good idea, but what exactly constitutes “forcing”? I’m sure everybody has their own defination. I would like to know what everybody thinks.
Posted by: Stuart on April 21, 2003 01:11 AM
“forcing” the Gospel entails making people listen to it or see it when they don’t want to hear it. it also can entail being overly forceful and aggressive when presenting it, and i also believe that it includes making people accept Christ or profess Christianity. “forcing” can also mean not explaining why Christianity is better than other faiths.
Posted by: joseph j. fell on April 21, 2003 09:10 PM
back to the topic,
i believe this is what happens when what we believe becomes more important to us than loving people. remember the new commandment. love hurts the lover.
dave
Posted by: dave on April 22, 2003 06:49 AM
Joseph,
But don’t you think there are circumstances in which it may be beneficial to share the Gospel when they don’t want to here it. If the Gospel really is the Truth, then should we hold it back, just because somebody doesn’t want to hear it? When sharing the Gospel, it would be my bet that most people don’t want to hear it, but are listening (or not) as an attempt to not be rude. The Word does not come back void, surely it can convict people even when they don’t want to hear the Truth.
Posted by: Stuart on April 22, 2003 08:42 AM
Well once again if you actually read the New Testament then you would discover that Paul and Peter and Jesus and the disciples all spoke about Jesus to people who often times didn’t want to hear it. Paul and Peter were put in jail because they spoke a message that people didn’t want to hear. Jesus was crucified because he presented a message of love that people didn’t want to hear. So if it is wrong for us to present the gospel to people who don’t want to hear it then you are saying that it was wrong for the disciples, apostles and Jesus to present that message as well…
Posted by: Pressed on April 22, 2003 10:36 AM
Jesus and his crew must have been exempt from the forcing the issue thing.
Posted by: Christopher on April 22, 2003 04:44 PM
Preach on Bro! I can’t agree more with what you said Pressed. IMO, it never hurts to be gentle at first so that people won’t turn you off, but we shouldn’t water down the Gospel message. Greeting people with “Welcome, you brood of vipers!” isn’t going to do your church’s evangelism program any favors… but something forceful might be useful (especially) in cases where a person has become comfortable not quite accepting the Gospel but not rejecting it. The lukewarm people, to use Revelation’s language.
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